Sako TRG 300 ULTRA MAG

[srupp]

I am looking at a Sako TRG 300 ultra mag..

is this just a 3OO???so any 300 bullets would work??and its less than a .338 ??

The sellar "says " its a exellent rifle and very accurate.. any one familliar with Sako? and this TRG 42 ultra mag ???(300)

Appreciate any info...thoughts ??? I want a dedicated moose and G bear rifle...

Steven

[Cariboo]

NO!

While a great rifle this package is NOT what you are looking for. The 300 RUM is a long-range specialist that burns copious amounts of powder, requires 26" barrels and produces a spectacular muzzle blast and recoil. The RUM case hold up to 105 grains of powder - almost double what a 30-06 case holds -but only adds ~10% more velocity.
A great round for long-range deer hunting but not a good choice as a close range bear/moose rig.


Your instinct was right when you were looking at the .338 Win Mag. That is the cartridge I would suggest for what you want. Another choice would be a .375 H&H magnum especially as you are planning on reloading cartridges.

[Cariboo]

To give you an idea of the size of the beast here is a pair of Remington Ultra Magnum (RUM) cartridges flanking 3 other popular rounds. The centre cartridge is a 300 Winchester Magnum, a .300 Winchester Short Mag is to the left of the Winnie and a 30-06 to the right.

[srupp]

Thanks Boo..yes your right its NOT what I want..lol...

Once again, as always great information "Readers digest version " right to the point...

Steven

[Matt88]

You need a 338-06!!!! There was a guy on gunnutz sell one, It is a parker hale action with a Gailard barrel for 900$. Here is the link http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum...d.php?t=120030
Food for thought

[Downwindtracker]

The choice between 338-06 and 338WM comes down to the actions. The 338-06 fits better in the shallower narrower actions like M-700 and M-98.That Parker-Hale is a M-98 as is my FN 338-06.Or if you have a second 30-06 laying around to rebarrel.There is no feed rail or bolt face mods. However the 338WM does it all a little better and easier. I have both,go with the more commom 338WM.

[Gatehouse]

The 300 RUM is for shooting out past 350-400 yards...and it's $$ to feed and kicks alot.

[35 Whelen]

Some more food for thought Steve......Remington I heard was getting out of the ammo business. At least in the Ultra Mag line. So there will be no more brass produced by them beginning this year if memory serves me correct.

Brass would only available from custom case makers.....then you will not want to pay the ransom they will ask for it.

How big are the bears you are going after?

I shoot the 35 Whelen and there is a real thumper.....250 grain bullets at around 2550 fps. Last moose I shot was hit in the right ham as he turned to run.....bullet went in, transected the moose and knocked out a hole in his sternum. Completely pass through end to end from about 30 yards and you could eat to the bullet hole. 35 Whelen was considered the poor mans African gun, as it could fit into a standard long action receiver.

Recoil is very manageable, as it is more of a push than a sharp jab so common with magnums ( not magnum bashing here) just saying that for my purposes the Whelen does it all at a reasonable cost in $ and physical recoil. It is based on the 30/06 case, Moderate velocity with a big bullet...the way the Brits used to hunt and still do in Africa. And you can; as Townsend Whelen said....eat right to the bullet hole, as there is little hydro static shock to the surrounding tissue.

I have the ultimate confidence in it.....anything on the N American continent without hesitation.

The 338/06 would be another great choice, great sectional density on the 338 bullet and well constructed bullets available by many mfg's. If I am not mistaken, you can stoke the 338/06 up a fair bit faster than the 35 Whelen. but then its about confidence too. I shoot my Whelen out to 400meters with handloads and have dumped a nice bull at that range....that is my limit for range. 400 meters in the field is a Lonnnnnng way, no matter how you slice it; it is not shooting from a bench top by any means. Anyone who ever wrote about the Whelen has great things to say about this caliber...only one negative comment that I ever saw, and that was a fellow thought it to be a short range gun.....Well I whole heartedly DISAGREE. With handloads doing 2550, it has the same trajectory as the 30/06 with 180 grn bullets....thats not short range.

If you decide on a large caliber like the 35 make sure that the rifling twist rate on the barrel is 1 in 12, and not the 1 in 16 that the Ruger has, or the 1 in 14 that the Remington has.....the fast twist rate of 1 in 12 will stabilize the heavy bullets...250- 275 grns. But the slower rates will not spin them fast enough to stabilize them well. I have a 1 in 12 twist and mine handles the bullets well. Loaded up some Nosler 225 grn ballistic tips, last year just to see what they performed like and they flew like a dart......super fast and easily hit 9" higher at a 100 yds than the 250 grainers....but they are light game loads as the bullet is lightly constructed.

I think the next bullet I try will be the 225 Nosler Partition.....that bullet I think will be like the 210 grn 338 bullet.......best all round performer, for toughness and ability to hit a longish ranges.

My two cents..

Paul

[srupp]

hmmm I HAVE tried to get on the firearms for sale and even the reloading stuff..GUNNUTZ wont allow me.....

So there is no real diff between the 338 and the 338-06 ???

for G bear it will ALL be under 150 yards....
for moose.....up to 300 yards...

thanks for the help

Steven

[Cariboo]

Originally Posted by srupp

hmmm I HAVE tried to get on the firearms for sale and even the reloading stuff..GUNNUTZ wont allow me.....

So there is no real diff between the 338 and the 338-06 ???

for G bear it will ALL be under 150 yards....
for moose.....up to 300 yards...

thanks for the help

Steven

The 338 Winchester does have an advantage over the 338-06 but not by much. (I sold my 338 Mag shortly after having the 338-06 built)

The biggest difference is in the availability of ammo. The 338 Win Mag ammo can be found in any Canadian Tire while the 338-06 is for all intents and purposes a hand-load proposition. This may be important if for example you have driven as far as Fort Nelson and discovered you left your ammo at home. The .35 Whelen as mentioned would also be a cartridge to look at. Remington builds rifles factory chambered for the round and ammo is fairly easy to find.

I was in C.G. the other day and handled that .338 Browning you mentioned. I LOVE the feel of that "sticky" stock and was pleasantly surprised to see Al's price was in line with most other sellers'.

He also has a used Browning BLR in 450 Marlin that looks like new if you are looking at a short range - under 150 yards - bear thumper. My shoulder started to hurt just looking at that beast!

[260_Rem]

Originally Posted by 35 Whelen

Some more food for thought Steve......Remington I heard was getting out of the ammo business. At least in the Ultra Mag line. So there will be no more brass produced by them beginning this year if memory serves me correct

is that why they have come out with a new line of 300 Ultra Mag ammo for 2007?

[moose caller]

I own a 300 rum in a remingtion model 700 sendero and its a great moose, and bear gun I have shot moose,black bear, elk, deer with mine and have not any problems with it. I read on this form about the recoil being a problem that is far from the truth I cant notice the differnce in recoil from my rifle to my friends 338 or his 300 win mag or his old 3006 recoil is not a problem

[Cariboo]

Originally Posted by moose caller

I own a 300 rum in a remingtion model 700 sendero

Yes, in a 10 pound rifle I am sure the recoil is not too bad. Try it in a 7 pound rifle and you will have a new apreciation for the round.

[Cariboo]

Originally Posted by 260_Rem

is that why they have come out with a new line of 300 Ultra Mag ammo for 2007?

From what I see they now have an amazing 5 loadings for the .300 RUM and grand total of 2 for the 338 RUM. Numbers like that are sure to inspire confidence to the shooting public ....................

[35 Whelen]

260....'

Here is the post regarding the release of Remington discontinuing ammo production.......it would appear that this will take place during the 2007 fiscal year....which would be April 2007 and later.

http://huntshoot.coastangler.com/hun...n+discontinues

Here is the quote.

Remington Discontinues Cartridges and Apologizes

In a bold move, that will no doubt be greatly appreciated by the gun buying public, Remington's V.P. of Marketing Humbolt Applageé, announced that no Remington cartridges would be introduced during fiscal year 2007. Applageé also indicated that the 163 cartridges introduced by Remington in prior years would be withdrawn from the market. Applageé simply stated, "I want to apologize for Remington's release of the 7mm SAUM, the 300 SAUM, the 7mm UM, the 300 UM...." and continued on with his list well into the wee hours of the morning. We understand the list terminated, in chronological order, at the 244 Remington. The reasons cited were, "Our cartridges really do suck, and almost none of them can be found at Wal-Mart".