Hacker on HuntingBC and Huntshoot

[Bows Up]

Choices and consequences.
Rights and responsibilities.

People want the rights without the responsibilities. They figure that's the way life works because as they have grown up they have made choices and not felt any consequences.

Ah, to live in interesting times.

[JohnS]

Hi...I'm brand new here (so happy birthday to rural doc and red) but I do have a couple of observations about the hacker problem. First, there is absolutely nothing that can defend against teen stupidity--remember? Secondly, there's a heavy-duty segment of society that is actively against field sports and can use good, solid computer literacy to jerk people like us around. The UK's online Shooting Times has been having some forum problems of late, and I rather suspect that ABS (anti blood sports) hackers have had a hand in it. I hope I'm wrong. I know some of you folk really know your way around the computer world, so maybe some practical words of caution to us electronic dolts would be in order. Just sayin'. Finally, I live in Nova Scotia...so what am I doing on a Western hunting site? Well...learning, sharing, and enjoying the company of people who love the outdoors as much as I do. Thanks for your patience.

[Cariboo]

Originally Posted by JohnS

. Finally, I live in Nova Scotia...so what am I doing on a Western hunting site?

No problem with being an East-Coaster.

I don't think any region of our great country has a shortage of passionate hunters and shooters and at the end of the day our similarities are greater than any regional differences.


Welcome aboard!

[moosecaller]

Originally Posted by JohnS

First, there is absolutely nothing that can defend against teen stupidity--remember?

Stupidity is not restricted to the teen years it crosses over all generations. Are you suggesting we excuse criminal actions based on age requirements? This is not a legitimate arguement for breaking the law, unless it can be proven the individual is mentally unfit to face the charges. The issue here is not just a stupid act but a criminal one and yes there is a defence against it we call it the Criminal Code of Canada. Once again I bring to your attention that in less than a year this lad could be allowed to drive a motor vehicle and if he does something stupid while doing so he would be subject to the laws that apply, I do not believe he could get away with any offence because he is a stupid teen.

[BCJunior]

who hacks a hunting website.. lol common

[the rifleman]

Originally Posted by moosecaller

I do not believe he could get away with any offence because he is a stupid teen.

Want to bet? Teens are almost always getting nothing more than a slap on the wrist, for doing things much worse than hacking a computer site. It's the weak kneed judges, and a weak kneed Walley Opel, that stops the maximum penaltys from being thrown at these criminals. For some reason they feel compassion is the best criminal behaviour modification..huh?

Even if Marc was to turn the kid over to the police, and he was convicted, he would probably get nothing more than community service, if that.

My fear is that if he is really a bad egg, he may end up using a friends computer to continue on with the hacking. Hopefully his Dad has some control over him still.

[Jimmy]

When I was a kid I was a in trouble more than not. The one thing I can say here is his father has taken away his computer. It is hard to believe because my fishing rod and boat at 15 were my life but the kids computer might be his pride and joy so that is one form of punishment he has recieved. The other is his father said he would take care of it at his end. When ever I got in trouble I was alway's more scared of my father than anything the police or the law could do to me. So I think you guys might be taking this a little to far. I dont know what the law can do to this kid for hacking a web site but I would be willing to bet it wont be much. Lets just hope his father cares enough to punish him so that he can learn a lesson from this whole thing.

Originally Posted by wild wild west

OK just a bit of info to calm everyone down.

I know who the hacked HBC and caused trouble with Huntshoot. His father contacted me tonight. He is computer has been taken away and I don't think we'll be hearing from him in a long time. He's just a 15 year old kid and I don't think he understood the magnitude of the problems, money and time he was causing. I spoke with his father who was mortified to find out what his son was up to and promised me he would look after things from his end. I told him that I was fine with him dealing with it and this would put an end to worrying about the site being hacked again.

That being said, I don't want to hear anyone else threatening on HBC or trying to find him. In my mind it's a done deal. Lets move on and start thinking of the fall to come.

[moosecaller]

My comment was taken out of context, I mean being a stupid teen cannot be used as a defence, if this lad did something while driving I am sure the cop would not say let's let his Dad take care of it? Also by not turning him over to the authorities if he continues to engage in illegal activities no one will know he has a history of it, so it would be treated as a FIRST offence, regardless if he was consequenced by the law for it, by not reporting him the next time would be treated as a first time. This would mean a lighter consequence because there is no history of negative/illegal behaviour, this only added to your complaint of the week kneeded system and assisted them in their lack of teeth in dealing with problems. Even if he got a slap at least it would have been something, rather a blind eye was turned to his criminal behaviour, how can you complain about a poor system when this is allowed to happen? Not part of the solution..... part of the problem. Do we let people do as they wish because the system has let us down?

Originally Posted by the rifleman

Want to bet? Teens are almost always getting nothing more than a slap on the wrist, for doing things much worse than hacking a computer site. It's the weak kneed judges, and a weak kneed Walley Opel, that stops the maximum penaltys from being thrown at these criminals. For some reason they feel compassion is the best criminal behaviour modification..huh?

Even if Marc was to turn the kid over to the police, and he was convicted, he would probably get nothing more than community service, if that.

My fear is that if he is really a bad egg, he may end up using a friends computer to continue on with the hacking. Hopefully his Dad has some control over him still.